In reply to dave_59:
Hi Dave,
From the response and embedded link I get that I should not need to use ref for my case as I described. Interestingly though, when not using it I get a null object, when using it, it appears to work. Aside, this is with VCS.
In the other response it does state that you almost never need to use ref with class object handles. So I thought to. Any my use case does not seem to be a case for which this is an exception, right?
So still puzzled about the behavior I am seeing.
Hans